Tuesday, December 30, 2008
Nataline a Year Later: Even More Disturbing News
Friday, December 21, 2007
This is a Toughie
As the parent of both a 20 year old and a 16 year old, my heart goes out to these parents. Having known others who've lost a child, there are no adequate words of consolation.
But their insurance company didn't kill her.
The harsh reality is that the insurer can only promise to pay for (part of) a procedure. Whether or not a given procedure is actually performed is up to the patient (or, in this case, the parents of the patient) and the health care providers. The insurer has no say in whether or not a transplant (for example) takes place.
Yes, this is hard.
And yes, there will be those who fault "the system:" the health care providers who want to be paid for their efforts (and to cover their malpractice premiums), the "heartless" insurance company that had misgivings about paying for the procedure.
But the actual choice belonged solely to the parents and the provider.
Nataline (the 17 year old at the heart of this tragedy) apparently received a bone marrow transplant from her brother. Did Cigna (the insurer) pay for this? Was it considered experimental? We just don't know.
And we don't know the particulars of the liver transplant issue, either. Many policies now limit such procedures to specific "centers of excellence," for example. Was this the case here? Again, we just don't know.
Friday, October 09, 2009
It's the Context, Stupid (Nataline's Story, Updated)
Now, lawyers and activists are looking to turn this tragedy to their own ends, motivated by greed and power. And that, too, is overwhelmingly sad:
I received an email yesterday from a group called "Americans United for Change," who claim that "(t)hrough aggressive earned and paid media outreach, grassroots and online organizing ... has challenged the far right conservative voices and ideas that for too long have been mistaken for mainstream American values."
Ahem.
So personal responsibility, the desire to keep more of one's own hard-earned money, and freedom of choice are simply talking points for the right-wing, and not true American values? Okay.
In the event, the email breathlessly quotes an L A Times piece that avers "Cigna employees, looking down into the atrium lobby from a balcony above, began heckling her, she said, with one of them giving her 'the finger.'" What a reprehensible, inexcusable thing to do. Regular readers know from our on-going series on Stupid Carrier Tricks that we hold no truck for shenanigans by any insurer, and this would be at the top of that list.
But:
Something about the wording rang false, and having seen how the press mismanaged the original story, I decided to re-connect with the Cigna folks to see if there wasn't a bit of, well, context missing. And indeed there was.
The first thing to understand is that, if anyone "killed" Nataline, it was her doctors and the hospital that refused to treat her without being paid. Where was their compassion? Surely a few dollars should have been no impediment to saving a young girl's life. Perhaps it was because this was, by their own admission, experimental surgery - one wonders if their malpractice carrier put the kibosh on it. After all, experimental procedures are generally and routinely denied in all health care financing scenarios (including the MVNHS©).
The other problem with that scenario is that, in this case, Cigna had an ASO (Administrative Services Only) contract with Nataline's father's employer. That is, they were contractually bound by the employer to pay for only those items which the employer had agreed (in advance) would be covered. Again, experimental surgeries would have been near the top of the "no" list.
So we can see that Cigna did not, in fact, "kill" Nataline. But did they, or one or more of their employees, "flip the bird" at her grieving mother?
Yes, one employee did.
From the story currently making the rounds, one is left with the impression that this was an unprovoked, heartless and insensitive reaction aimed directly at a mother who'd recently lost her daughter. Perhaps, though, there was a bit more to this story than what we read in the paper?
I spoke this morning with a gentleman at Cigna who was actually in the lobby that morning, and who actually met with the group of people who had come to protest. What the L A Times story conveniently omits is that Mrs Sarkisyan was accompanied by a group of some 35 or so nurses with placards and loud voices, who descended on Cigna's headquarters. Of course, people are entitled to protest what they see as wrong, but this was a place of business, not a public forum, and so security was called in to control the crowd. Curious Cigna employees looked down from the atrium to see what was going on, and were met with shouts taunting "what's it like to work for a company that kills children?"
Apparently, a few minutes of this was more than enough for one employee, who (unprofessionally but understandably) invoked the obscene gesture. Did Mrs Sarkisyan see it? Probably. Was it directed at her"? Who knows, but she was not, in fact, an innocent bystander. So why is she suing Cigna for this singular event, and why, one year later, is it suddenly "news?"
Because her original case was tossed out, and the only bone which the judge could throw her was this claim of emotional distress. It's a win-win for the lawyers and activists: regardless of whether she prevails, this has rekindled the controversy and gotten Mr Geragos and the "Americans for Change" folks free publicity. Lost in the hubbub is the fact that Cigna had no financial stake in the original claim denial, and the providers who skimped on Nataline's care are held unaccountable.
Truly a sad coda to a tragic story.
[Thanks to Cigna's Chris Curran for his time and cooperation]
Monday, December 31, 2007
CIGNA & Nataline: A Broader Perspective
Saturday, July 19, 2008
Update on Other Disturbing News?
Hank’s recent article about the Caitlin Jackson case mentioned Nataline Sarkisyan. Which raises a question: whatever happened to the lawsuit that celebrity attorney Mark Geragos vowed to file against CIGNA in the Nataline Sarkisyan case? I have been unable to find any current news of it on the internet, either under “Nataline Sarkisyan” or at Geragos’ own website. The news articles seem to have stopped in January 2008. Why? Anyone know?
Geragos’ website is here
The only reference to Nataline Sarkisyan (scroll down) is a copy of a newspaper article dated December 21, 2007. No updates on the Sarkisyan case have been posted to Geragos’ website since that time.
And here is a link to an editorial published January 11 in the Wall Street Journal that contains a summary of the case as it was only then beginning to be understood.
Wednesday, December 26, 2007
More on Nataline...
If you're just tuning in, a teenager in California died recently, and there is quite a controversy surrounding the circumstances. The biggest problem so far is the lack of adequate information; while the parents are free to cast whatever accusations they want, the insurer (Cigna) is constrained by HIPAA (as well as the pending litigation).
Tuesday, July 04, 2017
More on Baby Charlie? Yes. Much more. And you need to know it.
Do not overlook that in these cases, private insurance and government insurance behaved in the same ways. People who say nothing like this can happen here are seriously misinformed. It has already happened here. People who say nothing like this can happen with a nationalized insurance scheme are living in a dream world. These situations will surely arise again in the U.S. even if we end up with some kind of government single-payer medical welfare scheme.
Wednesday, March 27, 2019
Nataline, The Lawyer, and *The Other* Lawyer
Eventually, the story faded from public view, but co-blogger Mike just reminded me that we have a connection to the recent Avenatti/Nike case: (alleged) unindicted co-conspirator Mark Geragos.
It was Mr G whom Nataline's parents hired to sue Cigna for "emotional distress:"
"It's a win-win for the lawyers and activists: regardless of whether she prevails, this has rekindled the controversy and gotten Mr Geragos and the "Americans for Change" folks free publicity."
Interesting coincidence.
Thursday, December 27, 2007
Nataline: A Physician's Perspective
Once again, Dr John Ford proves his indispensibility in bringing order out of chaos. This time, he brings his experience and insight to bear on the Nataline Sarkisyan story, offering some much needed calm and perspective.
Thursday, September 12, 2019
Nataline Redux
There was a lot of finger-pointing, and plenty of blame to go around, but there were also some key issues that prompted much circumspection:
The insurance carrier (Cigna) had initially refused a liver transplant, the fact that experimental treatments are (at best) problematic, and whether PR should override best practices.
Regardless, Ms Sarkisyan ultimately passed from her condition.
Now, fast forward almost a dozen years, and we learn of a young mother who, having undergone "major surgery to remove thyroid cancer ... has never truly recovered." She was fortunate to find a "world-renowned expert in dysautonomia and autonomic neuropathies," and began treatment.
Unfortunately, these appear to have been largely ineffectual, and she's now at a very dark place indeed:
"The only treatment that is anticipated to help her is expensive, costing $6000-7,000 per infusion, and the doctor has prescribed 6 infusions to enable her body to reconstitute itself and get her on the road to recovery."
To that end, her family has set up a GoFundMe campaign [full disclosure: I have donated to it] hoping to raise enough money to cover most (if not all) of the expected costs.
Okay, a worthy cause, but why isn't her insurance company covering it (or at least most) of it)?
Well, that's because the carrier, Aetna, "has refused to pay for the treatments, calling the drug "experimental" and providing no recourse for her worsening condition."
As noted in the GFM, there have been appeals and advocates, apparently to no avail.
As a parent and husband myself, I can certainly sympathize with the family's plight, but I have some questions.
So I've reached out to both Sarah's family and her insurance company, and would like to share what I've learned:
Her father, who was very nice and forthcoming, had no direct knowledge of the plan's details. He in turn put me in touch with his son-in-law (whose employer's coverage is the insurance at issue). Unfortunately, he has yet to respond (I'll update the post if/when he does).
In the meantime, I also reached out to Aetna:
"Good morning!
We're working on a post about [the GoFundMe], and would like to have Aetna's side, as well. We understand that you can't comment about this case specifically, but would be interested in speaking/emailing with a claims person who can address the dynamic between experimental vs medically necessary treatments.
Looking forward to hearing from you."
About which co-blogger Bob gently prodded me:
"Still tilting at windmills?
Carriers RARELY set their own standards for medical necessity, experimental, provisional. Much easier to follow CMS guidelines as in "it's not my fault, this is how Medicare handles it."
Doubt you will get very far with this, even without factoring PHI complexities."
In the event, I did, in fact, hear back from them:
"Hi Henry:
My name is Ethan Slavin and I work in the Communications department at Aetna. While we can’t comment on this specific situation (as you noted), we can provide you with our general overview on how we make coverage decisions.
You are welcome to use information from this page for your post, as you see fit.
Please let me know if you have any questions."
Which was not unexpected, and actually helpful.
I would still like to know whether or not the plan in question is self-funded (because that could make a difference), but the reality is that Bob's correct, and while sad, this is pretty standard, and not subject to online petitions and the like.
Again, I'd ask why the venom is being directed at Aetna and not the folks with the high-priced meds, or the providers who would administer them.
But that's just me.
Wednesday, June 05, 2013
No good answers
"House Republicans on Tuesday pressed the country’s top health official to cut through the government red tape in order to let a dying child have a chance at getting a lung transplant"
Here's the thing, though: there are no "right" answers here. As much as we like to bust Ms Kathy's chops, I find myself siding with her in this particular instance.
Are you kidding, Henry?
No, and please hear me out.
As we saw in the Nataline Sarkisyan case, sometimes the legacy media is quick to pounce on what appears to be a case of process over life. But is this really the case here?
From the media coverage, it's impossible to know for sure. But the rules have (apparently) been in place since 2005, so it's not exactly news that they exist. And here's the thing: while each life (and especially a child's) is precious, if an exemption is made in this case, how do you tell the next set of parents "no?"
Maybe you don't, but obviously the rule was implemented for a reason. Perhaps we should pause to consider Mr Chesterton's observations on fences.
